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and hello from philadelphia frank here

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with yet another episode of

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a ufo news network sunday a very

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interesting uh period we're in now in

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terms of ufo news

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i'm going to get to that but uh before i

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do just a

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a quick and uh dirty update on the

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unidentified show i've been able to

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watch

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episodes two and three since uh we last

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spoke

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and again it seems to be a continuing

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that ttsa because of their high profile

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out there in the world has been able to

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entice and attract

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a number of excellent witnesses to come

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forward and talk about their ufo

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experiences

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that happened obviously in the first

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week again

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last week with the triangle mystery

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episode

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and then again finally in this week

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with the ufo and nukes uh

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and uh that is a very nice thing

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uh one thing that i think they have to

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be cautious of

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is lapsing into doing the type of show

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that uh virtually any ufo show can be

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uh there's no sense in these guys and

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their position basically uh trading over

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too much old ground

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so it's good to see that they are

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generating uh some new witnesses some

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new cases

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that is always some interesting stuff uh

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looking forward ahead to the five

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uh there's going to be a show regarding

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airline encounters apparently they've

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also been able to entice some airline

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pilots to come forward

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uh they're going to do a show on

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apparently extraterrestrial encounters

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i don't know if that means they're going

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to be uh dealing with

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experiences if it is uh that certainly

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would be interesting

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they really haven't gone too much

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directly into that although we do know

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it's a topic of interest

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and also i guess it looks like that

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there's going to be an episode on

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citing surge and if you can recall

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going back uh two and a half years now

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uh one of the things that we're talking

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about is an increase in sightings

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they've really provided no data to back

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up that claim

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it'll be interesting if they do provide

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it i'm going to touch more on

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sightings and the frequency of really

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as we go forward here but i do want to

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recommend the show

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again i'm not going to uh break down

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every segment of the program tonight or

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last week you can watch it for yourself

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it's readily available

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so go ahead and take a look at that and

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a key bit of news that happened during

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uh regarding the uh senate select

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on intelligence's bill that will ask the

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uap task force to provide a

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unclassified report that we're all going

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down the road and that of course looks

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of course as i mentioned that bill did

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overwhelmingly pass in the senate it

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does need to go to the house

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and then finally to the president uh for

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seeing uh something from this uh maybe a

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quarter of next year so this is still a

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vocal uh member of this committee the

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news of this uh little segment of the

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warner is the driver here he's the

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catalyst for uh getting this in there

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uh something that uh you know you don't

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so let's go to the interview go to the

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are we alone um no look here's the

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and that is we have things flying over

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exercises and we don't know what it is

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let me pull that audio file up and now

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let's give a listen to will warner who i

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who i do is still think uh took the lead

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uh rubio answer very credibly uh uh when

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he was asked about this

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by the miami reported defeat well

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i'm not going to get into any uh details

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on classified information

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i have uh received a similar brief

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um over a year ago

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uh i need to get an update as well

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and you know i'm concerned about

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anything

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of our pilots uh

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navy and the armed forces generally

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uh take this into consideration but uh

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in terms of the specifics

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um you know that remains classified i'm

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the pentagon keeps senator rubio and i

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i've heard nothing about the status of

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the dni report

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again i'm not going to no matter how

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many times you ask i'm not going to talk

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about things that are

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classified i am going to say though that

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um the pentagon ought to

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be doing everything it would be

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appropriate uh to protect the safety and

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well-being

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of our planes and our pilots again i'm

294
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not going to get into

295
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uh what is going on i think

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you know as a

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member leader of the intelligence comm

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committee i think it's

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impor appropriate that we stay informed

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um

301
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but part of my challenge is your brief

302
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with classified information is to keep

303
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and there is that from warner you see uh

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or here

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the uh the vice chair and warner and the

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acting chair in

307
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rubio are both well on board they want

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answers

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this is uh pretty much unprecedented i

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can't think of any point in time

311
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where you saw is for the fans even when

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that

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went dark let's get out of there

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sorry about that but as far as i i know

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this is unprecedented we

316
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when you hear uh the uh the chair and

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the vice chair both

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from opposing parties uh both uh wanting

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to know

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more about ufos uh this is uh quite

321
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fantastic so

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uh very definitely very happy about this

323
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but again it's going to take a while to

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play out

325
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uh the bill where they're requesting

326
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this report still needs to get through

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the house

328
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still needs to get signed off on by the

329
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senate uh some good news of course was

330
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that the bill did pass the senate

331
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overwhelmingly obviously that the part

332
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about the ufo report

333
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is a very small piece of a much larger

334
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bill

335
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that has apparently also been merged

336
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with a with another even larger bill so

337
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these bills are enormous

338
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this is just one small detail in it but

339
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of course it is a detail that fascinates

340
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us greatly

341
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so yeah we like this this is uh some

342
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very good news and again i would say

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uh two politicians uh uh one

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from each of the opposing major parties

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all on board looking for ufo information

346
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yeah this is unprecedented to the best

347
00:12:49,670 --> 00:12:47,440
of my knowledge

348
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and if anybody can point to a case in

349
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the past

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where we've had something like this

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before i'd

352
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like to know about it i can tell you

353
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that back in the 60s when that gerald

354
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ford

355
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uh was a representative a congressman

356
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from

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michigan he was able to get a an open

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senate

359
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or excuse me house hearing on ufos uh

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back in the 60s uh

361
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very interesting proceedings but that

362
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was a long time ago

363
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and i believe it was just simply uh

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ford's power

365
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a man acting alone because his

366
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constituents were

367
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uh well up in arms over a series of ufo

368
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cases uh

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in michigan that was able to get that

370
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done this is bipartisan

371
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this is interesting and uh this is uh

372
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again as far as i know

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uh quite unprecedented so we like this

374
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this is outstanding news

375
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and let's go to this new york times

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00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:45,920
story that came out on thursday

377
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a lot of talk leading up to this i think

378
00:13:53,509 --> 00:13:51,279
everybody who follows the ufo

379
00:13:54,790 --> 00:13:53,519
story closely was aware that something

380
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was coming from them

381
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a pretty safe bet the talk that

382
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obviously

383
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a lot of people put

384
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raised questions about didn't think it

385
00:14:06,230 --> 00:14:05,680
was going to happen uh was that the the

386
00:14:09,590 --> 00:14:06,240
story

387
00:14:11,829 --> 00:14:09,600
does touch on crash retrievals uh

388
00:14:14,790 --> 00:14:11,839
they expressed some skepticism about

389
00:14:17,269 --> 00:14:14,800
that but we knew this was coming uh that

390
00:14:19,430 --> 00:14:17,279
that blumenthal and kean have both been

391
00:14:21,030 --> 00:14:19,440
kicking the tires on this aspect of the

392
00:14:23,189 --> 00:14:21,040
story for a while

393
00:14:24,870 --> 00:14:23,199
uh the story itself i i think was uh

394
00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:24,880
maybe a bit of a disappointment i was

395
00:14:29,590 --> 00:14:26,399
frankly surprised

396
00:14:32,389 --> 00:14:29,600
that it really did not dig

397
00:14:34,389 --> 00:14:32,399
too deep on this subject since so much

398
00:14:36,389 --> 00:14:34,399
is known about debris and

399
00:14:37,990 --> 00:14:36,399
uh crash retrievals in the past i'll get

400
00:14:40,389 --> 00:14:38,000
into that in a moment

401
00:14:41,910 --> 00:14:40,399
but uh basically uh some of the the key

402
00:14:44,310 --> 00:14:41,920
quotes from the stories

403
00:14:45,829 --> 00:14:44,320
uh from the story uh no crash artifacts

404
00:14:47,509 --> 00:14:45,839
have been publicly produced for

405
00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:47,519
independent verification

406
00:14:51,990 --> 00:14:49,600
some retrieved objects such as unusual

407
00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:52,000
metallic fragments were later identified

408
00:14:58,069 --> 00:14:55,600
from laboratory studies as man-made uh

409
00:14:59,030 --> 00:14:58,079
again that that's not entirely accurate

410
00:15:01,990 --> 00:14:59,040
but uh we'll uh

411
00:15:03,670 --> 00:15:02,000
we'll get into that uh momentarily it is

412
00:15:05,110 --> 00:15:03,680
extremely important that information

413
00:15:06,150 --> 00:15:05,120
about the discovery of physical

414
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materials or

415
00:15:09,430 --> 00:15:08,720
retrieved craft come out he said he

416
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being

417
00:15:13,590 --> 00:15:11,440
harry reid in that particular instance

418
00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:13,600
and then later on

419
00:15:17,670 --> 00:15:16,560
and uh apparently they interviewed eric

420
00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:17,680
davis as well

421
00:15:22,069 --> 00:15:20,079
uh mr davis who now works for aerospace

422
00:15:24,710 --> 00:15:22,079
corporation a defense contractor

423
00:15:26,470 --> 00:15:24,720
said he gave a classified briefing to a

424
00:15:28,629 --> 00:15:26,480
defense department agency

425
00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:28,639
as recently as march about retrievals

426
00:15:31,990 --> 00:15:31,440
from off-world vehicles not made of this

427
00:15:34,389 --> 00:15:32,000
earth

428
00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:34,399
mr davis said he also gave classified

429
00:15:38,310 --> 00:15:35,839
briefings on retrievals

430
00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:38,320
of unexplained objects to staff members

431
00:15:41,910 --> 00:15:40,320
of the senate armed services committee

432
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on october 21

433
00:15:46,230 --> 00:15:44,959
2019 and the staff members of the senate

434
00:15:48,629 --> 00:15:46,240
intelligence committee

435
00:15:50,069 --> 00:15:48,639
two days later uh certainly uh you know

436
00:15:52,389 --> 00:15:50,079
certainly quite possible

437
00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:52,399
don't know the details that davis has

438
00:15:55,749 --> 00:15:53,600
but i'll tell you

439
00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:55,759
that nothing classified coming up here

440
00:15:58,550 --> 00:15:56,800
we're going to be talking

441
00:16:00,069 --> 00:15:58,560
a little bit about some of these

442
00:16:00,790 --> 00:16:00,079
anomalous materials that have been

443
00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:00,800
turned up

444
00:16:05,910 --> 00:16:04,160
and about uh crash retrievals so

445
00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:05,920
hold on to your hats you'll get a lot

446
00:16:08,949 --> 00:16:07,519
more details from

447
00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:08,959
right here than you did from the new

448
00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:10,639
york times article again

449
00:16:15,030 --> 00:16:12,320
pretty surprising that the article

450
00:16:15,749 --> 00:16:15,040
itself was really truncated a thousand

451
00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:15,759
words

452
00:16:19,189 --> 00:16:18,720
and roughly half of them were related to

453
00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:19,199
the

454
00:16:23,110 --> 00:16:22,240
senate bill that rubio and warner are

455
00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:23,120
championing

456
00:16:26,870 --> 00:16:25,360
so again not a whole lot of detail but

457
00:16:29,189 --> 00:16:26,880
at least it's out there

458
00:16:30,870 --> 00:16:29,199
one thing that well let me let me get to

459
00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:30,880
this first uh

460
00:16:34,949 --> 00:16:33,519
after the story came out uh harry reid

461
00:16:37,910 --> 00:16:34,959
issued a statement that

462
00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:37,920
uh basically saying that he was

463
00:16:41,910 --> 00:16:39,759
misquoted in the article

464
00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:41,920
reid saying i have no knowledge and i

465
00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:43,199
have never suggested

466
00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:45,360
the federal government or any entity is

467
00:16:49,110 --> 00:16:47,120
unidentified flying objects

468
00:16:51,269 --> 00:16:49,120
or debris from other worlds i i've

469
00:16:53,110 --> 00:16:51,279
consistently said that we must stick to

470
00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:53,120
science not fairy tales about little

471
00:16:57,670 --> 00:16:54,240
green men

472
00:16:59,829 --> 00:16:57,680
and let's see here uh from the times

473
00:17:02,069 --> 00:16:59,839
despite pentagon's statements that it's

474
00:17:04,309 --> 00:17:02,079
disbanded at once covert program to

475
00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:04,319
investigate unidentified flying objects

476
00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:06,079
oh that that's basically just the top of

477
00:17:10,949 --> 00:17:08,559
the story but that was reid's statement

478
00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:10,959
apparently he took issue in what was

479
00:17:14,470 --> 00:17:12,000
described

480
00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:14,480
in an interview today with project unity

481
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:15,280
by both

482
00:17:22,230 --> 00:17:18,559
blumenthal and leslie keane as

483
00:17:24,150 --> 00:17:22,240
basically a paraphrase and apparently

484
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:24,160
uh reid did take exception to that

485
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:26,160
paraphrasing although they did stand by

486
00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:27,120
the quotes

487
00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:29,760
uh this is just one it's a small thing i

488
00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:31,200
can understand

489
00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:33,360
sometimes you see things in print and

490
00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:34,880
you have a conversation with somebody

491
00:17:38,549 --> 00:17:35,360
you say

492
00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:38,559
something maybe you did say uh what the

493
00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:40,160
what they paraphrased and maybe the

494
00:17:42,789 --> 00:17:41,919
paraphrasing is accurate but that wasn't

495
00:17:44,710 --> 00:17:42,799
your intent

496
00:17:46,230 --> 00:17:44,720
lots of times this those kind of things

497
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:46,240
could happen i wouldn't

498
00:17:52,390 --> 00:17:49,360
put too much weight on this i think we

499
00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:52,400
just have to move forward okay uh

500
00:17:59,190 --> 00:17:57,039
reed had his caveat with the story and

501
00:18:00,630 --> 00:17:59,200
basically they they just went forward

502
00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:00,640
with it from there

503
00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:03,120
but what is uh really interesting to me

504
00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:04,160
is

505
00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:07,120
that uh there wasn't a lot of context to

506
00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:07,840
this story

507
00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:10,240
and leslie keane has worked in the past

508
00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:10,960
regarding

509
00:18:15,990 --> 00:18:14,240
crash retrieval cases specifically again

510
00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:16,000
no kind of context that there are these

511
00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:17,679
stories out there that they have been

512
00:18:21,669 --> 00:18:19,440
floating around for some time

513
00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:21,679
uh nasa's decision to reopen its spot

514
00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:24,240
this is uh from a few years back

515
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:27,200
looks like uh let's see uh not even sure

516
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:28,799
what side i grabbed this from

517
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:31,200
but anyway i i do remember when this

518
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:33,120
happened nasa's decision to reopen its

519
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:34,640
files is the latest phase

520
00:18:37,830 --> 00:18:36,799
of a legal battle prompted by journalist

521
00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:37,840
leslie keane's

522
00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:40,480
freedom of information act request filed

523
00:18:44,789 --> 00:18:42,400
in 2003 and subsequently

524
00:18:47,270 --> 00:18:44,799
subsequently uh fought by the space

525
00:18:49,350 --> 00:18:47,280
agency in march a judge rejected

526
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:49,360
nasa's request to have the case thrown

527
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:50,640
out of court so

528
00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:52,720
she was digging in on kecksburg which i

529
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:54,160
do think is a

530
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,640
genuine crash retrieval case uh was it

531
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:58,320
e.t well i'm not so sure

532
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,720
but again it's crash retrieval it's uh

533
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:02,160
it's an interesting case so we'd

534
00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:04,240
certainly like to know more about

535
00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:07,919
and let's uh let's get into again

536
00:19:11,830 --> 00:19:11,039
reid saying not being aware of any

537
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:11,840
entity

538
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:14,640
examining this kind of anomalous debris

539
00:19:16,870 --> 00:19:15,039
well

540
00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:16,880
i'm not questioning that he might not be

541
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:18,559
aware of it but i am and i'm going to

542
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,000
tell you a little bit about it

543
00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:22,320
there is this very curious yuba tuba

544
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:23,360
material

545
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:25,840
this has been studied at length by

546
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:27,600
professor peter sturrick

547
00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:31,200
he sent the material to more than a

548
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:32,480
couple dozen

549
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:35,280
different laboratories at various times

550
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:37,520
sent it out had it tested got it back

551
00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:40,880
this goes back to roughly the 2000 era

552
00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:43,840
and his conclusion at the end as far as

553
00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:45,440
anyone can tell from the

554
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:47,760
from analyses carried out to date there

555
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:49,919
is no case for believing that the brazil

556
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,760
magnesium specimens had an

557
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:53,520
extraterrestrial origin

558
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:55,440
on the other hand it has not proved

559
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:57,039
possible to identify

560
00:20:01,430 --> 00:20:00,080
where the material was produced so there

561
00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:01,440
you have that the

562
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:04,000
very cautious scientist is uh going to

563
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:04,559
be

564
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:06,799
very cautious in terms of his language

565
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:08,320
and again

566
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:11,919
uh that is uh about the i think the the

567
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:12,640
best that

568
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:14,960
we're going to get uh regarding uh these

569
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:16,400
types of fragments

570
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,880
but again they are interesting and of

571
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:20,000
course uh back in

572
00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:23,760
2017 uh jacques valet in a presentation

573
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:25,760
at contact in the desert

574
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:28,799
uh went through uh his findings uh

575
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:31,919
regarding a material composition of ufos

576
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:35,039
uh he had studied a number of different

577
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:36,080
samples

578
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:39,280
along with dr gary nolan from stanford

579
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:42,400
and if you remember very early on and

580
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:44,480
all this in the first that very first

581
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:47,360
new york times article in december 2017

582
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:49,120
they did talk a little bit about these

583
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:50,480
types of fragments

584
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:53,520
this is a list of cases that

585
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:56,240
valet is familiar with obviously hasn't

586
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:57,440
studied them all

587
00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:59,200
but there are a few of them out there

588
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:01,520
and the yuba tuba material looks like he

589
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:02,720
got to study

590
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:05,280
uh something from uh pagoda in colombia

591
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:06,559
something from iowa

592
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:09,679
and uh something from sierra so

593
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:12,000
he was able to take a look at those uh

594
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:13,600
the focus of the study was

595
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:16,960
very much on the isotopic ratios of this

596
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:23,590
basically the the idea there is by

597
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:26,000
studying the isotopic ratios

598
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:28,480
we have a pretty good idea that the

599
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:29,280
elements

600
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:31,120
in our universe are pretty much the same

601
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:33,280
everywhere but either one of two things

602
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:34,720
are possible as he uh

603
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:38,000
outlines here that the isotopic ratios

604
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:38,880
were

605
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:42,559
manipulated which allows for a greater

606
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:44,159
performance or perhaps

607
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,159
because the stars where those elements

608
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,159
were created are somewhat different it

609
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:50,640
results in different isotopic ratios

610
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:53,360
so uh summary of uh valle's findings a

611
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,400
certain meta

612
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:56,480
metal materials are seen to contain

613
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:58,640
trace levels of elements and ice types

614
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:58,960
of

615
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:01,200
said elements which no man-made or

616
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:02,320
terrestrial metals

617
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:05,120
would be expected to contain are these

618
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:06,159
contaminants or

619
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:09,360
perf uh purposely introduced engineered

620
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,600
uh two technical analysis needs to be

621
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:13,200
expanded through the use of several

622
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:13,919
instruments

623
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:16,720
to arrive at more precise composition

624
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:17,520
tables

625
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:19,760
no analysis from a single instrument or

626
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:22,000
method is fully reliable

627
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:24,000
three we plan an aggressive program of

628
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,679
search for additional samples

629
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:27,440
in order to reach a general picture on

630
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:28,720
the entire problem

631
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:31,919
and finally abnormal isotope ratios

632
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:37,909
basically saying this stuff is

633
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:40,799
interesting we should take a closer look

634
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:43,200
but it doesn't necessarily mean it's et

635
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,240
and that's about

636
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:46,640
where we're at on that but those studies

637
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,760
have taken place

638
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:49,440
now what does the government have what

639
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:51,280
does the military have and you know that

640
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:52,559
they've got access

641
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:55,840
to all sorts of uh fantastic equipment

642
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:57,200
within their own labs

643
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:00,480
or can certainly farm out

644
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:03,840
this type of work to very high-end

645
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:06,159
laboratories that are capable of these

646
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,039
types of studies

647
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:09,440
they can certainly do that one thing

648
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:11,280
that is important to remember

649
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:14,480
that the isotopic ratios can be

650
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:17,440
not so much manipulated but altered

651
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:17,760
through

652
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:20,960
normal manufacturing processes that some

653
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,159
of the lighter isotopes

654
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:24,720
can burn off so again as uh valet points

655
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:25,360
out

656
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,480
just because the isotopic ratios are

657
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,720
a little bit out of the ordinary doesn't

658
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:32,640
necessarily mean et

659
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:36,240
so there's that now let's talk a little

660
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:37,120
bit about

661
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:40,720
acquiring foreign technology this is a

662
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,880
very interesting subject and there are

663
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:44,880
some extraordinary cases

664
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:47,440
that we do know about and one that i

665
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,919
just

666
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:49,760
became familiar with within the last

667
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:52,080
week or so regards the

668
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,279
luna satellite which uh went to the moon

669
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:58,000
and uh soviet built satellite and so uh

670
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,159
what basically happened and i urge

671
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:02,240
everybody to look this up uh really

672
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:03,760
fascinating stuff

673
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,880
but uh basically uh what the soviets did

674
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:08,080
they were so proud of their

675
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:09,760
accomplishments they actually

676
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:13,200
uh took a a legitimate uh luna

677
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,279
spacecraft and they actually put it on

678
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,039
display at various museums

679
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,840
this kind of uh you know uh as an

680
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:21,120
expression of pride and

681
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:23,120
what they had done and no question that

682
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:24,400
of the soviets uh

683
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,600
uh right up probably until apollo 8

684
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:30,240
when we were actually able to orbit men

685
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:31,279
around the moon and

686
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:34,559
bring them back that was uh pretty much

687
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,279
every uh space threshold every space

688
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:38,960
milestone was accomplished by the

689
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,679
soviets

690
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:42,000
and they did get their gear to the moon

691
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:42,799
before we did

692
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:45,039
we got men there before they did but

693
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:46,159
they got gear there

694
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:49,120
before we did so among the artifacts

695
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:51,440
were a sputnik and a lunic upper stage

696
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:52,880
that contained the payload

697
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:55,200
uh the ladder freshly painted with

698
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:57,279
viewing windows cut into the nose

699
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,600
first blush many in the cia assume the

700
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:01,360
touring lunic was just a module

701
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,640
or just a model but some analysts

702
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:06,320
suspected that the soviets might be

703
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,320
sufficiently proud of the spacecraft

704
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,559
to bring a real one on tour these

705
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,640
suspicions were confirmed when cia

706
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,720
intelligence agents managed to gain

707
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:16,799
unrestricted access to the spacecraft

708
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,039
one night after the exhibit closed

709
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:20,960
they realized it wasn't a model it was a

710
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:22,480
real production article

711
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:25,120
the agents gleaned what they could in 24

712
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,679
hours

713
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:27,360
but desperately wanted a better look

714
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:29,279
they wanted to get inside the lunic

715
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,520
and they went off and did their cloak

716
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,279
and dagger stuff

717
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:34,799
very interesting they obviously didn't

718
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:37,120
steal it but they had they borrowed it

719
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,559
for a little while and

720
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,799
they got the the information that that

721
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:42,320
apparently they were looking for and

722
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:42,640
that

723
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:45,360
got a pretty good look at a real live

724
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:46,640
lunac satellite

725
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,360
so uh that is a very interesting story

726
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:51,840
again a real world story that we know

727
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:52,559
happened

728
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,039
that shows you just how far uh the

729
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:57,279
military the intelligence community

730
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:01,120
will go in order to get hold of

731
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:04,080
advanced foreign technology and then of

732
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,559
course

733
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:06,320
we want to double back and talk about

734
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,840
the project azorian

735
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:09,760
i have mentioned this in the past and it

736
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:11,120
is uh popping up

737
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,240
uh from some other people in terms of

738
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:16,799
uh using this again as kind of an

739
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:17,679
example

740
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:20,159
as far as the lengths that uh the

741
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:21,600
intelligence community and

742
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,960
the military will go in order to get a

743
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:27,120
get their hands on advanced foreign

744
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:28,159
technology

745
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:31,600
uh azorian basically it was a k-129

746
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:34,640
submarine sunk in the pacific ocean and

747
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,480
basically the idea was to dredge it up

748
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:40,720
lift it up off the ocean floor uh they

749
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:41,840
built a ship

750
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:44,400
uh there was a there was a cover story

751
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:45,279
basically

752
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,679
uh that with the cooperation of howard

753
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:49,919
hughes and his summer corporation

754
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,919
uh you know they couldn't uh they

755
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:53,760
couldn't just uh open up

756
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,679
just some uh startup to do something

757
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,360
like this they needed somebody uh

758
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:58,799
established that with

759
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,799
with a lot of financing uh like hughes

760
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:02,480
who could credibly say

761
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,960
that that yeah we're building this ship

762
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,320
so we can mine

763
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:08,320
on the ocean floor this is basically a

764
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,000
mining ship and that we're going to be

765
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:12,640
collecting uh material off the ocean

766
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,200
floor

767
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:15,039
that's what we're really doing no

768
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,320
they're they they weren't looking for

769
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:18,240
manganese what they were looking for was

770
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:19,760
a soviet submarine

771
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:21,760
that that sunk to the bottom of the

772
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:22,880
ocean floor

773
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:25,120
and hughes was the cover they built the

774
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:26,960
ship the glomar explorer

775
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,440
uh very uh when this story came out that

776
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:30,720
very famous

777
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,960
and uh the the ship was built and of

778
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:35,039
course what they needed was this claw

779
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:37,600
to drop down from the bottom of the ship

780
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,640
uh to uh

781
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:40,880
the the bottom of the ocean to sort of

782
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,039
uh uh uh

783
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:45,360
hook on to the uh the submarine and then

784
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:46,240
lift it back up

785
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:48,640
and then the ship would obviously go

786
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,440
back to port

787
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:51,279
they'd be able to pull out the submarine

788
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:53,600
and we'd be able to find out everything

789
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:55,120
that we needed to know about

790
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,159
uh soviet submarines so

791
00:28:01,510 --> 00:28:00,480
that it sort of worked out that way now

792
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:01,520
the cost

793
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:03,919
of this particular project was

794
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:06,480
extraordinary in the early 70s

795
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:09,760
800 million dollars

796
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,279
expensive project

797
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:15,760
in today's money you're talking about

798
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:16,559
four

799
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:19,039
billion dollars really an extraordinary

800
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:20,000
sum of money

801
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,679
and uh they were able to go out there

802
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,120
they were able to

803
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:26,000
latch on to that submarine and in the

804
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:27,440
lifting process

805
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:30,480
uh what happened was unfortunately uh

806
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:33,360
for uh the people who uh organized the

807
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:33,760
uh

808
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,120
glomar explorer

809
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,279
uh the submarine broke in half so they

810
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,440
were able only able to pull

811
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:43,600
a small segment of the sub i guess it

812
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:45,520
was the back end which is not where

813
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,480
the really interesting stuff is and it

814
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:50,320
was a lot of money spent

815
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,279
now a number of different organizations

816
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:55,200
news organizations were aware of the

817
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:55,840
story

818
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,559
the cia was able to kill it with i

819
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,840
believe it might well have been the new

820
00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:01,279
york times i don't have that in front of

821
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,399
me right now

822
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:04,960
but jack anderson who was an independent

823
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,360
syndicated columnist out of dc

824
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,360
uh did not go along with that he broke

825
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:11,200
the story his feeling was

826
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,799
four billion dollars for something like

827
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,720
this that was ultimately a failure

828
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,880
it was a boondoggle again that's

829
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:18,480
something that's really important

830
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,720
to keep in mind if we find out more

831
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:21,840
about some of these

832
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,720
uh ufo projects that may or may not be

833
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,320
going on these unacknowledged

834
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:28,559
special access programs are related to

835
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,440
ufos

836
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:31,679
how much is being spent that's kind of a

837
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,440
key are we getting our money's worth

838
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:35,600
now early on when we first found out

839
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:38,240
about etip 22 million over four years

840
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,080
that's not that big a deal but if it

841
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,159
adds up over a period of time to

842
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:44,399
tens or hundreds of millions of dollars

843
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,200
or even

844
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:47,600
billions of dollars who knows we don't

845
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,399
know because

846
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:51,120
nobody's saying it and the the results

847
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,440
are

848
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,760
essentially nil well that could be a

849
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:54,880
serious problem

850
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,919
so that's where we're at yes uh there

851
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:59,760
has been uh research at least in the

852
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:00,720
private sector

853
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:03,360
uh regarding anomalous fragments that

854
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,840
might be et but nobody's saying that uh

855
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:08,080
on the record i've certainly heard some

856
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:09,360
other things off the record from

857
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,640
credible sources but

858
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:12,720
on the record nobody's saying that and

859
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:14,399
uh yeah we we don't want to

860
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:18,000
uh uh go there and uh i i think it's a

861
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:19,279
little hazy

862
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,399
new news as far as that type material

863
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,960
uh is uh kind of at a standstill really

864
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,480
over the last two years

865
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:28,080
uh the only thing that really happened

866
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,679
is ttsa

867
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:32,080
did start up their little adam project

868
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:33,440
and did acquire

869
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,880
the same uh yuba tuba magnesium that uh

870
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:38,559
valet required i guess they're going to

871
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:39,919
retest it so

872
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,840
that's basically where that stands but

873
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:43,360
again it is a

874
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:46,480
very interesting story and uh you

875
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:49,760
don't uh don't get my advice uh don't

876
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:50,000
get

877
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:52,080
carried away with uh the folks saying oh

878
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,200
this is disclosure

879
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:55,120
and uh don't listen to the naysayers

880
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,559
either there's nothing here

881
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:58,399
uh there's something here it's very

882
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:59,600
interesting but just

883
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:02,000
uh my advice uh kinda kind of stay

884
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:03,120
centered on this and

885
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,710
and finally if we're going to talk about

886
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,799
crash retrievals we have to talk about

887
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:12,960
the granddaddy of them all and that

888
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:16,159
is the roswell case there is no question

889
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:16,640
that

890
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:22,559
it was scooped up by the military

891
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,799
and ultimately it found its way to

892
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,720
wright-patterson air force base

893
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:29,039
even the air force admits as much in

894
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:30,159
their report

895
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:33,440
from the 1990s uh requisitioned by then

896
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:34,880
president bill clinton

897
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:36,559
uh there is that that's a fact uh

898
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:38,320
there's there's no wild speculation

899
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:39,039
there

900
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:41,519
now when we're talking about that crash

901
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:43,039
retrievals which didn't come up in the

902
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:45,039
the new york times story

903
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,799
you have to ask yourself how many of

904
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:48,480
them have there possibly been

905
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:50,559
we don't really even know right now how

906
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,840
many uh

907
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:53,919
really good ufo cases are floating

908
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,960
around out there

909
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,480
and then you have to start asking

910
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:58,799
yourself the question well

911
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:01,120
there aren't that enough to really uh

912
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,399
raise alarm bells

913
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,559
amongst everyone in the military a few

914
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:06,640
people it gets their attention but not

915
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,360
everybody

916
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:09,519
so there can't be that many i mean how

917
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,120
many can there possibly be

918
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,120
and then when you get into these uh

919
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,880
these crash retrievals well

920
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,480
the the certainly the number has to be

921
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:18,000
less than that whatever the

922
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,039
other really good ufo case numbers are

923
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:22,960
and i would say even significantly less

924
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,600
than that but we do know of this one it

925
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,440
is an extraordinary case

926
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,360
and one of the best researchers i know

927
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:31,519
anthony bragalia has been all over it

928
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:31,840
for

929
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:34,880
years i strongly recommend

930
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:38,000
that you go and visit his website ufo

931
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:39,200
explorations

932
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:42,240
uh just uh the google at ufo

933
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,279
explorations regalia and you will find

934
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:47,440
it to go to the article archive

935
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:49,840
and it is an extraordinary treasure

936
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,559
trove

937
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,720
of information especially about this

938
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,559
case lots of other cases too

939
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:56,960
but this case as well now uh they're

940
00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:59,679
going through a tony's site uh regarding

941
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:02,320
uh some stories that he's written about

942
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:03,279
roswell

943
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,799
about the the memory metal which

944
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:08,880
we have developed that's called nitinol

945
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:11,679
it was uh developed in the early 1960s

946
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,640
uh now obviously well after uh the uh

947
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,000
the roswell case but

948
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:18,000
i guess it took him a while to get that

949
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:20,080
together uh but it does sort of match up

950
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:21,840
with a lot of the descriptions of the

951
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,559
debris that was found at roswell

952
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,799
very interesting stuff now i've got that

953
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,720
i cherry picked through a few of the

954
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,000
different articles

955
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,720
on or work with titanium that was done

956
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:34,399
in the immediate aftermath

957
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:38,240
of the roswell crash and uh again that

958
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,080
cherry picked a few different

959
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,720
uh quotes from here here's one from

960
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,640
general arthur exon who was the

961
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,320
base commander of ray patterson air

962
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:48,080
force base in the 60s

963
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:51,919
and he is stated to researcher kevin

964
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,640
randle

965
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:54,880
information about the roswell debris he

966
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:55,919
told randall that he

967
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:58,000
understood that some of the ufo debris

968
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,279
was comprised of

969
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,279
titanium and another metal that they

970
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:03,279
knew about and the processing was

971
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,840
somehow

972
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:06,480
different titanium is the this is tony

973
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,880
here

974
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:08,720
titanium is the key metal upon which

975
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:11,359
shape memory alloys such as nitinol are

976
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,159
based

977
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,720
and another general general shilligan

978
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:16,639
who led air force intelligence at the

979
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,560
time of the roswell incident

980
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:21,040
authored a secret draft memo four months

981
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:22,159
after the crash

982
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,919
in the section to his officers about

983
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:25,200
ufos entitled

984
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:28,240
materials of construction shogun

985
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:31,040
two notes such ufo material would be

986
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,200
made by unusual fabrication method

987
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:37,520
hang on a sec here let's uh what do we

988
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:38,639
got and

989
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:41,679
also in an interview conducted during

990
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,639
the 90s

991
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:44,720
again the arthur exit here confirmed the

992
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:45,760
existence of

993
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:48,960
the roswell metal reports exxon the base

994
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:51,200
commander of wright patterson in the 60s

995
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,839
related

996
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,679
that he was privy to some of the details

997
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:56,000
of the composition of the crash debris

998
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,119
uh excellent stated of the debris it was

999
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:01,119
titanium and some other metal that we

1000
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:02,720
knew about and the processing was

1001
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:03,839
somehow different

1002
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:06,400
uh one of course special processing of

1003
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,280
titanium

1004
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:09,680
and the other metals is required to

1005
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,880
create nitinol

1006
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:12,240
basically i got a duplicate in there

1007
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:14,880
sorry about that from another article he

1008
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:17,200
spoke to a battelle scientist

1009
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,240
by the name of nicholson in that article

1010
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:23,040
uh nicholson said he believed it is most

1011
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:25,119
likely that patel the patel memorial

1012
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,839
institute

1013
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,920
which is located near wright-patterson

1014
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:28,960
and is one of those

1015
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:31,760
private institutes uh that that does a

1016
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:32,640
lot of the

1017
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:35,440
uh advanced work for the military was

1018
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,880
engaged in such e.t

1019
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:39,040
debris analysis he knows the institute

1020
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:40,560
had a deep relationship

1021
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:43,280
with the u.s government it had the

1022
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,000
proximity

1023
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:46,960
to right pat and it had the latest had

1024
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:47,760
the talent

1025
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,000
equipment and resources needed to study

1026
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,400
the roswell debris

1027
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,480
he says there were other indications

1028
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:56,640
that patel had been contracted to study

1029
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:57,520
ufos

1030
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:00,640
even into the 1970s he maintains

1031
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:03,680
that a battelle superior told him

1032
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:06,320
that the cia was still at that time

1033
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:08,960
involved in secret ufo studies

1034
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:11,520
as was the institute and another quote

1035
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:12,240
here

1036
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,079
this is actually from an interview that

1037
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:16,560
tony did with the air force officer

1038
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:19,920
who conducted the roswell

1039
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:22,640
ufo uh study for the air force at the

1040
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,800
behest of then president clinton

1041
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,560
based upon the description that i have

1042
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,560
found for the material nitinol

1043
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:31,200
i would say that the foil-like material

1044
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:32,880
used in the raw and targets

1045
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:35,599
of project mogul while flexible did not

1046
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:36,880
meet the description

1047
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:39,359
of the characteristics for the alloy

1048
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,160
nitinol

1049
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:43,200
so again if you really want to dig deep

1050
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:44,800
in that find out that going

1051
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,599
way back to the beginning a little bit

1052
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:49,119
more about

1053
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:52,240
crash debris and analysis that did take

1054
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,920
place that over time we have been able

1055
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,440
to find out about

1056
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:57,760
this is the granddaddy it's roswell and

1057
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:59,200
that might be a good time if

1058
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:01,680
you haven't uh brought yourself up to

1059
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,800
speed on all that

1060
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:04,560
it might be a good time to start taking

1061
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:05,839
a closer look

1062
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:09,119
and now let's go to again the

1063
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:12,160
the key alloy in nitinol is of course

1064
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:13,280
titanium

1065
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,480
and as we see here a symposium on

1066
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,480
uh the the possibilities that the

1067
00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:20,320
titanium holds

1068
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,920
for a future development uh december

1069
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:24,720
1948

1070
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:27,920
and uh basically uh this was uh uh

1071
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,119
hosted by the office of naval research

1072
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:34,079
department of the navy again they were

1073
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:34,400
all

1074
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:39,839
founded in late 1948

1075
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:44,320
the commercial titanium industry uh it

1076
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:46,880
did not exist before that titanium had

1077
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,440
obviously

1078
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:49,119
had been discovered well in advance of

1079
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:50,720
that and in fact a

1080
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:53,920
process for the extraction of titanium

1081
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,760
from the ore which is a very difficult

1082
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:57,200
and expensive process

1083
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:00,320
was developed by a an inventor named

1084
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:04,640
william crawl approximately 19

1085
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:07,839
uh very late 1930s i'd have to look up

1086
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,640
the exact date but the late 1930s uh he

1087
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:12,960
saw a lot of potential in titanium

1088
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,560
but the american metals industry u.s

1089
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:18,960
steel and all those companies

1090
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,040
really didn't the reason was because it

1091
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:23,440
was so expensive to produce

1092
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:27,200
and basically yeah the the needs of the

1093
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,000
industry and

1094
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:30,000
the commercial needs were filled either

1095
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:32,000
by if you needed something strong you

1096
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,040
went with steel

1097
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:35,760
which is very heavy but very strong and

1098
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:37,520
if you needed something lighter

1099
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:39,680
you were able to go with aluminum which

1100
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:42,079
was in fact lighter but also

1101
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:43,920
not very strong at all it would really

1102
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,320
break down under a sort of a

1103
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:48,320
really really heavy usage it would

1104
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:49,440
frankly would melt

1105
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:52,320
you couldn't make let's say a uh the the

1106
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:53,520
structure of the skin

1107
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,560
of a uh supersonic airplane

1108
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:59,280
out of aluminum because it would

1109
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:00,320
basically melt

1110
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:02,480
and uh you could make it out of steel

1111
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:05,200
but again the steel is so much heavier

1112
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,800
that you're burning gas

1113
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:11,200
you're really shortening the range of

1114
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:11,920
how far

1115
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:14,640
a really fast plane could fly so you

1116
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:15,920
needed something that was uh

1117
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,119
stronger and lighter uh titanium is

1118
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:21,760
uh or does possess the highest strength

1119
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:22,640
to rate uh

1120
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:25,680
strength to weight ratio of any metal on

1121
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:26,320
earth

1122
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:29,440
and uh in the late 1940s finally we

1123
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:30,800
found it okay

1124
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,720
again it's a very important to keep in

1125
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:34,400
mind if you're talking about reverse

1126
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:35,280
engineering

1127
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:38,320
talking about the materials is key

1128
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:41,920
and the reason being this is the first

1129
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:45,280
industry uh that uh that was really is a

1130
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:46,480
direct result

1131
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:49,599
of reverse engineering alien spacecraft

1132
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:51,839
and i will uh go through some of my

1133
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,440
findings on the

1134
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:55,920
uh on the development of the titanium

1135
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:56,640
industry

1136
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,119
uh these are the production numbers uh

1137
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:01,200
from basically a decade's worth from

1138
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:02,320
1945

1139
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,119
up to 1956 and what you see is

1140
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:07,680
exponential growth over every year

1141
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,920
yeah there was some interest there uh

1142
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,079
the the process uh thanks to kroll

1143
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:14,160
who did emigrate to the states uh at the

1144
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,359
advent of world war

1145
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:17,520
ii and uh did go to work for the

1146
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,359
government uh he

1147
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:21,839
uh obviously brought his process with

1148
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,640
him and

1149
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:24,800
you see a few pounds here a few pounds

1150
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:27,680
there and the very early days uh in the

1151
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:30,400
in the mid 40s uh what you saw was yeah

1152
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,680
they're playing around with it it's a

1153
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,359
laboratory curiosity

1154
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:35,680
but nobody's really sure uh what to do

1155
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:36,400
with it and

1156
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,160
there really is no commercial

1157
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:40,400
application there's no interest there

1158
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:44,480
from uh a private industry then in 48

1159
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:46,720
a couple of tons are produced then the

1160
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:47,680
next year

1161
00:41:02,470 --> 00:40:58,560
975 53 there's over 2

1162
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:02,480
000 tons 54 almost 5 000 tons

1163
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:06,400
uh 55 67 a 100 tons

1164
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:09,839
and 56 third of more than 13 000 tons

1165
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,160
so you see this exponential increase and

1166
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:14,400
what's very interesting is

1167
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,800
at least in the the very late 40s you're

1168
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,960
in this period in terms of budgeting and

1169
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,160
what was being spent

1170
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:22,960
by the military is very low uh this is

1171
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:23,920
after world war

1172
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,880
ii and uh prior to the korean war uh

1173
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,319
really even uh before the

1174
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:30,640
uh the cold war really starts to heat up

1175
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,359
a little bit

1176
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:33,680
so what you had was very little spending

1177
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:34,800
on military

1178
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:37,599
and it was the military that got the

1179
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:38,640
titanium

1180
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,520
because they were willing to provide

1181
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,200
rem crew which is the the first

1182
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,200
commercial uh titanium

1183
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:49,680
producer they were able to provide price

1184
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,319
supports

1185
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,800
that made it profitable for that company

1186
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:54,480
to produce the titanium

1187
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:56,720
because of the expense involved as i've

1188
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:57,680
already outlined

1189
00:42:01,270 --> 00:42:00,720
so you see that and then also you get an

1190
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:01,280
idea

1191
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,800
of how much emphasis was put on titanium

1192
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:06,560
in its early days of commercial

1193
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:08,800
production lawrence foster writing in

1194
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,760
his review

1195
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,319
of titanium and industry that the

1196
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:14,560
exponential growth of metallic titanium

1197
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,280
production

1198
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,599
is unparalleled in the history of

1199
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,440
metallurgy

1200
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,680
that's how serious they were about

1201
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,359
getting titanium going

1202
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,400
and in titanium past present and future

1203
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,000
the commission on engineering

1204
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,240
and technical systems wrote only in the

1205
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:32,400
case of the manhattan project for the

1206
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,280
development of an

1207
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,000
enriched uranium and the atomic bomb has

1208
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,560
there been a concentration of scientific

1209
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:40,800
technical and financial support for a

1210
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:41,680
single metal

1211
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:43,839
and certainly to a single structural

1212
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:46,160
metal similar to that devoted to

1213
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:47,040
titanium

1214
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,720
and i've written about this over at my

1215
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,119
website i certainly urge you to

1216
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:53,280
go over there and take a look at that in

1217
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:54,800
a little bit more detail

1218
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:57,359
but here's what you've got you've got an

1219
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,240
industry

1220
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,960
that basically is uh the the doors get

1221
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:02,480
opened as a direct result

1222
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:05,119
of military spending now you've also got

1223
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:06,079
an industry

1224
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,599
that that money becomes available

1225
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,000
at a time when there's not a lot of

1226
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:14,240
military spending going on a

1227
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:16,240
and secondly nobody within the

1228
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:17,359
government really

1229
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,640
takes any kind of credit this uh for uh

1230
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:22,560
getting this industry going uh the the

1231
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:23,839
money for this had to come from

1232
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,400
somewhere

1233
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:26,560
it had to be approved by someone my

1234
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,000
feeling is it had to come from harry

1235
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,000
truman i mean he's the boss he's

1236
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:32,319
he's the guy who ultimately uh decides

1237
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:34,240
uh uh working with congress uh what the

1238
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:36,079
budget is gonna be and the numbers that

1239
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:37,680
they were spending on military at that

1240
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:38,480
point in time

1241
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:40,640
was nothing yet there they are going

1242
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,599
whole hog

1243
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:44,160
into starting a or basically

1244
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:44,960
underwriting

1245
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:48,240
a commercial titanium industry so these

1246
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,440
are the things that you're going to want

1247
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:51,680
to keep in mind as we go forward

1248
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:54,160
yes i think i gave you a little bit more

1249
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:55,359
detail about

1250
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,720
uh what uh what that might be leading to

1251
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:00,960
in terms of talking about crash debris

1252
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,560
and studies of fragments and

1253
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,480
uh unacknowledged special access

1254
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:08,160
programs

1255
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,760
there's a lot more there there's

1256
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:11,760
something there don't get

1257
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,720
don't get too frustrated stay the course

1258
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:16,240
keep your eyes on this

1259
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:19,040
but i'm telling you there's something to

1260
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:19,359
it

1261
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,960
the some of the cheerleaders are talking

1262
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:24,720
about this is disclosure and blah blah

1263
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:25,839
blah and all that

1264
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:27,200
but there's a lot that's out there

1265
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:28,880
there's a lot that some very fine

1266
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:29,680
researchers

1267
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:32,160
have picked up on over the years and i

1268
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:33,599
think we're going to continue to see

1269
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,079
that

1270
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:36,880
in the months and the years maybe to

1271
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:37,440
come

1272
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:40,480
uh well worth taking a closer look

1273
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,079
and uh bring yourself up to speed

1274
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,920
because you're not gonna get all this in

1275
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:45,119
a thousand words

1276
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:46,960
uh from the new york times and you're

1277
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:49,119
not gonna get this uh in uh quick and

1278
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:50,240
dirty uh

1279
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,880
uh uh twitter links or even the comments

1280
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,160
over on facebook

1281
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,480
you've really got to take a look at uh

1282
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:57,839
the facts that we know

1283
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,680
uh there's a lot that we don't know

1284
00:45:01,829 --> 00:45:01,200
might speculate a little bit here and

1285
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,839
there now

1286
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,599
nothing wrong with that so long as you

1287
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,599
back up your speculation with fact

1288
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,760
so that's it for this time and i'll be

1289
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:09,440
back as soon as there's more news

1290
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:12,240
uh thankfully i ran through all this uh

1291
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,760
without having to talk about the issues

1292
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,119
that mufon is having

1293
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,440
and uh to be honest with you i think at

1294
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:18,960
least from my perspective

1295
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,680
uh they're going to continue to uh just

1296
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:22,800
simply

1297
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:25,440
be a be a non-factor in the the ufo

1298
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,240
field

1299
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,800
basically over the last decade i think

1300
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,319
most of you know now that

1301
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,880
the former director jan harzin was

1302
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:35,280
arrested on a couple felony charges

1303
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:38,240
uh related to his attempting to uh

1304
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:39,200
solicit

1305
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,000
uh sexual relations from uh someone that

1306
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,640
he thought was a 13 year old girl

1307
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,720
goodbye to jan he'll never be back uh

1308
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,880
but uh certainly uh mufon uh

1309
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,560
has a lot of work to do i've seen some

1310
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:53,040
things even in the aftermath of all this

1311
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,440
uh where key people in the organization

1312
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,520
are just making the same stupid mistakes

1313
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,800
over and over again

1314
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,880
so basically i've washed my hands of

1315
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:01,920
them if uh

1316
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,960
if by some miracle they do come up with

1317
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,880
something worth reporting of course i'll

1318
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:08,160
give it some credit

1319
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:10,400
i'll give them their due but by and

1320
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:11,760
large i just don't see

1321
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:14,480
anything coming out of there out of that

1322
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:15,440
organization

1323
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:17,440
other than increased embarrassment so

1324
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:19,280
let's stay focused on the good stuff